Did Eric compromise the beach issue?

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condot
Posts: 100
Did Eric compromise the beach issue?
1/22/2006 3:22:43 AM

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There is word around town that Eric came to an agreement with Brent Chesny.

Does Eric look at the beech issue as socialism vs free enterprise? If so, who in the darm world is he fooling.

I hear that there are more plans for so called economic progress in the beach.


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Jaime Kenedeno
Posts: 1512

Socialism v Free Enterprise WATT does that mean.....
1/22/2006 5:46:23 AM

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If we are against them stealing our beach we are Socialist.

Let me put it another way; If we for keeping the beach open to the public access and vewhicle access then we are not free enterprise and the only thing left is SOCIALIST.

That will be a doozie to get over IMO.

I think Eric will make a wise choice on this one and stick with the threadsters most of who oppose the ""beach blockade"".

I heard that BS the non citizen All American City Councilman Brent Chesney prevaricated. He said the plans to take this 300 sq ft ""park area"" has been in the works for a couple of years now. He said there was never supposed to be a park there they just term vacant lots ""park area"".

It is a violation of the TEXAS OPEN BEACHES ACT if we are denied access to the Beach. Any part of it ""WATT so ever"".

Build the Resort but dont think it gives any the right to ""BLOCKADE"" our access with and without vehicle.
Jaime Kenedeno
Posts: 1512

The Caller Times spin on the Beach Blockade
1/22/2006 6:23:51 AM

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Is this is already a done deal or WATT?

We need a New Newspaper.

One with both pro and con.

One with left right and middle.

One that will support all sides of an issue representatively and not cater to money and ELITISM.


Caller Times Glamorization of the Beach Blockadification
curtis rock
Posts: 397

Re: Socialism v Free Enterprise WATT does that mean.....
1/22/2006 9:52:27 AM

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Prohibiting vehicular access on beaches is clearly not a violation of the open beach act. You still have access, just without the aide of a motor vehicle.

When I spent a couple weeks in Hawaii, a state where access to beaches cannot be denied, you still could not drive a motorized vehicle on the beach. The beaches were mine, just as much as anyone else''s in Hawaii - but just as there are rules against littering or keeping a distance from sea turtles, there is also a rule against driving your vehicle on the beach.

One such beach in Hawaii is the Captain James Cook Monument beach - perhaps one of the most beautiful snorkling/SCUBA sites imaginable. There were basically two ways to access Captain James Cook Monument Beach: via boat or trail. The trail is about a 45 minute hike downhill through assumed private property, rocky terrain, and brush. Just imagine the walk back uphill which takes the average hiker 1 Hour and 30 minutes. Either way, the beach was not denied to me. It was still open, and I had the ability to access it - hence an Open Beach.

The same will apply here. The developer cannot take the beach away. I can still visit my beach in front of his development.
curmudgeon
Posts: 3459

Clearly . . .
1/22/2006 10:04:48 AM

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. . . you have read the Open Beach Act:


It is declared and affirmed to be the public policy of this state that the public, individually and collectively, shall have the free and unrestricted right of ingress and egress to and from the state-owned beaches bordering on the seaward shore of the Gulf of Mexico
curtis rock
Posts: 397

No, I haven''t read it
1/22/2006 10:24:16 AM

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No, I haven''t read it. But I understand it, as I do go to the beach, and our firm has done work on various beach reclamation projects along the Gulf Coast from Corpus Christi to Galveston. I spent a week in Galveston and the Boliver peninsula, sampling sand for quality control/quality assurance purposes. I was told that I could trek through the fences and yards of beachfront homes in Galveston to reach the sites because of the Act. Even with the homes there, I was still allowed to reach the beach. My access was not prohibited.
curmudgeon
Posts: 3459

Ya ever tried to walk . . .
1/22/2006 10:29:46 AM

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. . . through a hotel carrying a surfboard and ice chest?
curtis rock
Posts: 397

Negative.
1/22/2006 10:32:42 AM

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No, I don''t surf.
skwardupntru
Posts: 1482

Curtis..
1/22/2006 10:10:23 AM

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Man that is a nice argument, and a very slippery slope. I wll want to know what you think in ten years when access is not denied but you have to take a bus because no parking is allowed.
Never mind , make it five years.
Mark my words guys,
You are giving away the farm to save the cow. The Cash Cow that is.
I knew you would, that is why I bought a place on the Lake.
What will you guys do when they close off Malaquie, Big Shell, Little Shell,
and Devils Elbow to motor vehicle access as well.
FOOLISH PEOPLE.
curtis rock
Posts: 397

Re: Did Eric compromise the beach issue?
1/22/2006 9:56:55 AM

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You cannot look at this issue as a socialism v. free enterprise issue because the developer''s choice is not limited. Socialism, by and large, requires limitations by government on business enterprise. In this case, the government is not limiting the developer - the developer is limiting himself based on the decisions of government. Regardless of the City Council''s decision, the developer can still build.
bigo
Posts: 424
Re: Did Eric compromise the beach issue?
1/22/2006 3:03:28 PM

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I know the Caller Times doesn''t have much credibility on this site, but everyone should read the article today on the beach series (one of four). It will give you an idea of what may be in store for this area. Todays article covers the Florida model. If you are interested in nice places, good tax base and have lots of money this model may be for you. The article did cover access of the public to the waterfront beaches, where in Walton county there''s only 1/2 mile availble to Walton county residents at $100 a year.

From the looks of this project if you want to drive on the beach you will probably have to go to the National Seashore eventually.
EVW
Posts: 334

Re: Did Condot and his idiot, bigot hero make up another lie?
1/22/2006 4:05:27 PM

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This is a classic example of why I stand in adamant disapproval of you, your hero (homer) or others of your base mentality.

Do yourself a favor and grow up.
Markx
Posts: 110
I believe BIGO deserves an apology, Eric. ""Base Mentality.""
1/22/2006 5:46:40 PM

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You are getting too authoritarian. You are alienating your own threadsters because of your juvenile labels.

You are the one that need to grow up, and realize that Brent Chesy is the ""base mentality"" .... get it base, base representing contracts and big dollar interets. You should seperate your self and preserve your dignity from those downtown power crooks trying to rob the people blind.

BlindBob
Posts: 514
Re: I believe BIGO deserves an apology, Eric. ""Base Mentality.""
1/22/2006 7:59:00 PM

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Matkx:

Eric was not talking to or about BigO.

If you had a brain between your ears instead of whatever you use as a substitute, you would have figured that out.


EVW
Posts: 334

Re: I believe BIGO deserves an apology, Eric. ""Base Mentality.""
1/22/2006 8:18:43 PM

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People like you don''t deserve anything but the life as you live it and that''s exactly what I''m giving you. You don''t like it, don''t come back or change your character. Push your luck and I''ll help you find the door. This is my site and if your counter part, the Klan, showed up they''d get equal treatment. If I were you I''d let this go and stop pushing what little luck you have. Create your own site and find me on it then you can make the rules. Punk.
EVW
Posts: 334

And another thing...
1/22/2006 8:28:53 PM

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Since when do you Markx and Condot make up my threadsters? My threadsters don''t create additional fake names to post under so they can make it appear more people agree with them as the both of you have done. My threadsters didn''t come here to play the typical Robstown politics of fabricated personal attacks and threats of lawsuits as you and your friends have done. My threadsters have intellectual maturity. And my threasdsters at least respect and admire true success and not the failure you choose to idolize and hope one day to achieve. Don''t call yourself one of my threadsters, you haven''t earned that right and you don''t have the class to even think it.
bigo
Posts: 424
Re: I could be wrong.....
1/22/2006 7:49:31 PM

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but I''m not sure Eric''s reply was aimed at me. If I read it right he said Condot and Bigot, not Bigo. But, like I said I could be wrong.
EVW
Posts: 334

Re: Re: I could be wrong.....
1/22/2006 8:21:16 PM

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Your right Bigo, it wasn''t aimed at you it was aimed at Cantdoit and the child Markx knows it but this is what the small minded do when they are called to the mat and they don''t know what else they can say.
Markx
Posts: 110
Eric your Dirty labels are not maturity
1/22/2006 9:44:03 PM

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It is only fair you explain them. Bigo knows you were punishing him for his stand on the beach issue.

You might deny. You are the man with the website. I am only an apparition. I was conjured by those who are tired of the ""logic"" rhetoric here.

Eric, you have no cajones; you really have not made a difference in my mind since I was conjured here, a lot have also voice that to me here.
EVW
Posts: 334

Can I offer you a GED class Marx?
1/22/2006 9:47:17 PM

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Their only labels to those who don''t understand the words.
curmudgeon
Posts: 3459

Marky . . .
1/22/2006 9:49:10 PM

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. . . is an apparition anything like a fairy?
bigo
Posts: 424
Re: Eric your Dirty labels are not maturity
1/22/2006 9:58:44 PM

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Marx, first you say Eric owes me an apology and now you say ""Big O knows you were punishing him for his stand on the beach issue"".

Big O knows two things for sure: (1) If Eric has a beef or disagrees with any of my comments, he will address them to me personally and by name. And (2) you are full of crap if you think you know what I think.

Let''s make a deal, I won''t tell people what I think you know and you don''t tell people what you think I know.
EVW
Posts: 334

Is it just me or...
1/22/2006 10:04:09 PM

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did little Marky learn the word ""conjured"" today and then proceed to use it in every other sentence.

Hey Marky, I can''t change someone''s mind when they dont'' have one to begin with. Having you and your minion on this site has been like watching those Afgahns kick a headless goat around a soccer field.
HardcoreHarry
Posts: 1985

Ratman and Butt Boy
1/22/2006 10:14:18 PM

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You are the only one here who believes that ""Ratman"" Marky.

Eric has been completely on track in keeping his shots aimed at you and Candoit, the ""Butt Boy"" wonder. Your Robstown utility belt of debating tricks will not help you here caped invader!

Take a hike Ratman and take Butt Boy with you! You have enough on your hands keeping Jaime, ""The Riddler,"" in check. Leave the real debating to us superheroes on this super forum!


Hardcore Harry
Markx
Posts: 110
Ratman -- what a logical syllogism
1/23/2006 12:41:10 AM

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:Those that oppose Hardcore Harry are Ratmen

Markx opposes Hardcore Harry

Thus, Marx is a ""ratman.""

Note: hope you did not learn that logical fallacy from Eric''s GED course.

Why the name calling, the hate names, the ""animal"" slurs: where is the logical soundness you all talk about?
Markx
Posts: 110
ERIC''S DIRTY LITTLE PUT DOWNS, won''t slow Homer''s upside for 1440 KEYS
1/23/2006 12:28:49 AM

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This is all promotion for the new guy in the block. I might just decide to invest in this business venture some more mula.